Group: alt.lawyers
From: "mcs"
Date: Sunday, September 23, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: Stop coal, stop global warming, says architect

Global warming is very real
>
> BUT AGW is just a theory.
>
>> Pollution affects are very real
>> I experience it.
>
> True
>
>> If this has been happening since the industrial
>> revolution I don't know. I do know that global
>> warming in my eyes causes more pollution.
>
> Does non AGW - just plain GW "cause" pollution? I
> doubt it. Therefore if there is no or extremely
> little AGW, it is not a "cause" of pollution.
>
>
>> Those
>> affects give huge advantages to people living in
>> clean air and huge disadvantages to
>> people who don't. More and more links to
>> studies that I have been urgently stating for
>> five years are happening are showing up. people
>> who live in particulate pollution because of
>> diesel and coal exhaust are dying faster , are
>> sleeping less, are getting ill faster, have more
>> asthma and on and on I am saying can be proved.
>> The extent of the damage that is linked only
>> based on amount of pollution someone/region gets
>> is the most unbelievable conspiracy to keep the
>> affects hidden I never expected to see in the
>> US---Its a totally different issue if we have to
>> have this energy to exist but if so the people
>> in harms way should be warned and kids and
>> families should be taken out of it. . The only
>> question besides being poisoned I feel , is
>> where are the lawyers. Every new study shows
>> effects . some very bad effects from particulate
>> pollution and ozone.. why can't more be done to
>> stop it now.. not twenty years from now.
>> "Talk-n-Dog" wrote in
>> message
>
> Perhaps because all the hype is on CO2 and not the
> particulates you mention. CO2 mania is
> detracting from the real issues.
>
I know for some reason particulate pollution is measured now more then
before. Its the same type of pollutio
that causes me much pain and constricted lungs. This is the outcome from
coal and motor exhaust and truck exhaust ,, now what is that co2 or
particulates? since that causes me as much effects as particulate rating I
am sure its completely connected. What particulate pollution is generated
from diesel and engine emissions? To me I assumed that particulate pollution
and car emissions/ coal emissions were the exact same.. which I assume is
the same as particulates New studies show cause for blood clots etc. Many
cities are getting fewer and fewer
days of this good air and I am stating the extent of this damage has not
been measured or been predicted for future. I do know more kids are getting
asthma , we are losing total life expectancy to other countries and if
comparisons were made more people are suffereing and not being told why. Now
whether thats because of global warming or particulates
or both I am not a scientist to be able to answer. I just know having
particulate pollution and I assume other pollutants combined continuously is
making life
very different for different populations and I don't think that I know it.
> what is agw?
>>
>

"Talk-n-Dog" wrote in message
news: $ @ ...
> mcs wrote:
>> Global warming is very real
>> Pollution affects are very real
>> I experience it.
>> If this has been happening since the industrial revolution I don't know.
>> I do know that global warming in my eyes causes more pollution. Those
>> affects give huge advantages to people living in clean air and huge
>> disadvantages to people who don't. More and more links to studies that I
>> have been urgently stating for five years are happening are showing up.
>> people who live in particulate pollution because of diesel and coal
>> exhaust are dying faster , are sleeping less, are getting ill faster,
>> have more asthma and on and on I am saying can be proved. The extent of
>> the damage that is linked only based on amount of pollution
>> someone/region gets is the most unbelievable conspiracy to keep the
>> affects hidden I never expected to see in the US---Its a totally
>> different issue if we have to have this energy to exist but if so the
>> people in harms way should be warned and kids and families should be
>> taken out of it. . The only question besides being poisoned I feel , is
>> where are the lawyers. Every new study shows effects . some very bad
>> effects from particulate pollution and ozone.. why can't more be done to
>> stop it now.. not twenty years from now.
>
>
> People that breath die more than people that don't, people that eat die
> more than those who don't. Cause and effect can be overstated and
> exaggerated. Coal isn't the only effect on people living around coal. To
> start with coal fired elect have traditionally used very high exhaust
> stacks so the local area didn't necessarily get all the particulate, today
> they also have scrubber and filtration systems.
>
> Have your meter-can pulled and toss the keys to your car, then get back to
> me.
>
> What will a lawyer do except suck more cash from the economy and get a
> bigger house and car to pollute more. The lawyer produces nothing and is a
> waste of energy with no net gain. Wasting energy with no gain just causes
> more of what your trying to stop.
>
> One step forward and two back is as bad as pissing up a rope.
>
>
>> "Talk-n-Dog" wrote in message
>> news: $ @ ...
>>> mcs wrote:
>>>> its all a round circle for jobs. They can stop it if they wanted to.
>>>> Too many people and illness and pollution and coal produce jobs feed
>>>> medical doctors and insurance and health care. Forget common sense. bad
>>>> things sometimes happens because of control and the expectation that
>>>> dysfunction causes jobs.
>>>> "Roger Coppock" wrote in message
>>>> news: @ ...
>>>>> Stop coal, stop global warming, says architect
>>>>>
>>>>> Posted by Michael Kanellos, September 21, 2007 10:35 AM PDT
>>>>>
>>>>> Forget biodiesel. To put a dent in global warming, we are going to
>>>>> have to stop using coal, said Ed Mazria, founder of Architecture 2030
>>>>> at the West Coast Green conference taking place in San Francisco this
>>>>> week.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The only fossil fuel that can fuel global warming is coal. If you
>>>>> stop coal, you stop global warming. End of story," he said.
>>> divide and conquer, blame it all on coal, then next year blame it all on
>>> Exxon...
>>>
>>> --